My views on RT

 

  • choose your poison

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  • “RT (Russia Today) – comes off like a state-sponsored Fox News, prone to coverage slanted against “the West” in general and the U.S. in particular ”

    and that’s a good thing. by far the most accurate. also coverage of black americans unparalleled. for example. ever seen interview of black panther party on msm?
    (https://youtu.be/Myiz05beTVI)

    RT: the antidote to American presstitute propaganda

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  • “Mindful of RT’s unfortunately accumulating reputation as batshit insane propaganda, ”
    that statement is untrue and absolute nonsense and amounts to propaganda in itself. I have seen nothing batshit crazy on RT and if you, abagond, have seen it, point it out to me.

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  • “RT (Russia Today) – comes off like a state-sponsored Fox News, prone to coverage slanted against “the West” in general and the U.S. in particular and indulging in conspiracy theories and other fringe beliefs.”

    I’m not sure who this statement is attributed to, either abagond or rationalwiki. Obviously it is made by someone that does not watch the channel. I watch it. I’ve never seen them focus on conspiracy theory, in what has come to be the meaning of that word, something patently untrue. And even the pristine meaning of the word, I have found no emphasis on conspiracy theory. And I watch it every day. And the ‘fringe beliefs’ discussed seemed to be shared by most of the world outside of the US. These lies about RT need to be pointed out. That statement is completely false.

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  • OHhhh. I know! Conspiracy theory means anything that contradicts the US government’s narrative. It’s phony war against ISIS for example. Conspiracy theory, like fake news, is anything that isn’t government propaganda. Yeah. I forgot about that particular definition of conspiracy theory. So, yeah. When you look at it that way I guess RT does indulge in conspiracy theories.

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  • I always make sense groji. you just fail to understand. glad that didn’t happen this time.

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  • of all the sites listed here, which poses the biggest threat to the power structure? and which do they want most to shut down? as I think they tried to do in Australia.

    it’s all about Russia. this whole fake news scam. as long as RT exists, putin has a nuclear option. immediate and deadly to the us power structure. he could decide to release what he has on 911 thru RT. so RT represents a bit of potential blackmail.

    he can release to the American public what our leaders don’t want us to know.
    and he’s already doing that. on a smaller scale than Armageddon.

    It’s info wars, babies.

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  • @ nomad

    At the top of the post I added: “the words are theirs but edited here for length”. What you see in the post is their opinions in their words. I do not necessarily agree with all of it, but offer it for thought and discussion.

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  • @ nomad

    Re: RT

    “Batshit insane” may be in the eye of the beholder, but propaganda they most certainly are: both RT and SputnikNews are run by the Russian government. They are Putin mouthpieces, as is most of Russian media.

    Abby Martin, who is from the US, used to work for RT. She said they never told her what to say. I believe her: even when she criticized the Russian government they did not kick her off. BUT she is very outspoken against US imperialism, which is why she pops up in places like Russia’s RT and South America’s TeleSur, and not, say, in the US on CNN or even MSNBC. She seems to be perfectly sincere in what she says, which makes her words all the more powerful, but that hardly mean her words are not being rented for a particular purpose.

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  • “She seems to be perfectly sincere in what she says, which makes her words all the more powerful, but that hardly mean her words are not being rented for a particular purpose. ”
    Yeah. Like our teleprompter readers aren’t.
    I say black Americans need to embrace their Russian comrades.
    Bet you never saw this picture.

    Russian students at the US Embassy in Moscow

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  • Ferguson protest in Moscow

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  • abagond
    “@ nomad
    At the top of the post I added: “the words are theirs but edited here for length”. What you see in the post is their opinions in their words. I do not necessarily agree with all of it, but offer it for thought and discussion.”

    I accuse you of plagiarism.

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  • ““Batshit insane” may be in the eye of the beholder, but propaganda they most certainly are: both RT and SputnikNews are run by the Russian government. They are Putin mouthpieces, as is most of Russian media. ”

    They are more honest and accurate and truthful than American corporate media, amply proven by the Hillary Clinton debacle and the loss of its last shreds of credibility. The fourth estate is dead and our crooked government is trying to quash the fifth with censorship of so called fake news and with the aid of pieces like this. Lies and all. “conspiracy theories”. “fringe beliefs”. Lies.

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  • @abagond
    “They are Putin mouthpieces, as is most of Russian media.
    Abby Martin, who is from the US, used to work for RT. She said they never told her what to say”

    Come to think of it, I’ve gone through the list before. Abby Martin is not unusual. Larry King is certainly not a Putin mouthpiece. Thom Hartman, staunch Democrat, is not a Putin mouthpiece. Chris Hedges is not a Putin mouthpiece. Former Governor Jesse Ventura is not a Putin mouthpiece. Nor are the other lesser known journalists. Lies. Lies. Damn lies.

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  • RT focuses on U.S. imperialism. However you wouldn’t want to trust RT to report on what’s going on in the Ukraine.

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  • our government and presstitute media would not lie to us about Ukraine. would they?

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  • @Nomad

    U.S. Media is biased against the Russians in the same way the Russians are critical of U.S. foreign policy and interventionist meddling. So it does require some parsing and researching other sources to get a clearer picture of a situation.

    In the U.S. media you wont hear that Ukraine is dominated by white centric nationalists who oppose Russian influence because these fascists are U.S. “allies”. Then you have another group of ethnic Russians who live in Ukraine who support Russian influence.

    When the Soviet Union collapsed that created a vacuum that NATO stupidly decided to fill it. It would have been better to have a buffer zone of neutral nations between Europe and the Russians.

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  • damn right. but we are the nation where the leaders are criminals. Russia is not. we are the ones doing illegal invasions and regime change. Russia is not. We are the nation murdering innocent people all around the world. Russia is not.. Our media is not in the same class with RT. US media is government and CIA controlled. Much more government controlled than RT. RT is much more trustworthy than US media. The only reason you don’t know this is because Rationalwiki, Abagond and the rest are lying about it. you folks need to wake up and smell the coffee.

    mmmmm…romantic roast

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  • I know this because I watch RT.

    Wake up Nomad. Both governments are full of criminals who represent their own corporatacracy.

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  • you re entitled to your opinion. I’m entitled to mine.

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  • @michaeljonbarker
    “I know this because I watch RT. ”
    Then you know it doesn’t indulge conspiracy theories and fake news and that the journalists there are not Putin mouthpieces and that Rationalwiki and Abagond are lying about it.

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  • I meant ‘conspiracy theories and fringe beliefs. It merely has a political perspective that does not conform to American propaganda. And propaganda is what our corporate news has become.

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  • State Department takes the same attitude towards RT as rationalwiki and abagond. Or rather the other way around. It’s propaganda, handed down to these sources ultimately from the government. Conspiracy theory. Fake news. One nation under thought control. It’s all about Russia. See how RT is singled out and denied legitimacy.
    (https://youtu.be/XWJIod5Z4Rg?t=12m48s)
    this is so unprofessional. its embarassing

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  • @ nomad

    “Come to think of it, I’ve gone through the list before. Abby Martin is not unusual. Larry King is certainly not a Putin mouthpiece. Thom Hartman, staunch Democrat, is not a Putin mouthpiece. Chris Hedges is not a Putin mouthpiece. Former Governor Jesse Ventura is not a Putin mouthpiece. Nor are the other lesser known journalists. Lies. Lies. Damn lies.”

    You are missing point. Those people are no different than the Rented Negroes you see on Fox News, like Stacey Dash and Sheriff David Clarke. They may be perfectly sincere in what they say, but they are still being used for propagandistic ends. Just as Fox News uses Black faces to push White opinion, so RT uses US faces to push a Russian viewpoint.

    Just because what you see on RT disagrees with the US propaganda you see on CNN and so on, does not mean it is not propaganda too. After all, MSNBC and Fox News disagree, but they are still mouthpieces for the Democratic and Republican parties. They are not speaking truth to power – they are speaking FOR power. They are dressing up powerful interests as “truth”. RT is no different in that regard.

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  • @ nomad

    If The Root is questionable because it is owned by Univision, then RT is certainly questionable because it is owned by the Russian government.

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    @ nomad
    “If The Root is questionable because it is owned by Univision, then RT is certainly questionable because it is owned by the Russian government.”
    Does not follow. Remember the fallacy of ‘the everyone does it argument’?
    Each source stands on its on merit. The Root is questionable because it is thought control of black people by the white corporation that owns it and the conservatism and accomodationism of its black staff.

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  • If they are propaganda they are a healthier form than American propaganda because they are more truthful, by far, You’re missing the point too. My point is that you lied about them indulging conspiracy theory, fringe beliefs and about the journalists being mindless mouthpieces for Putin.

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  • liked by shainair and mjb. what a surprise. by theway mjb, I didn’t mean anything by that ‘bite me’ crack. just my way of titling the video I was high lighting. mmmmmm…romantic roast. get some today.

    abagond.
    My point is that you lied about them indulging conspiracy theory, fringe beliefs and about the journalists being mindless mouthpieces for Putin. Thus furthering the empire’s agenda and becoming a part of American propaganda and its brainwashing program yourself.

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  • The Root’s fawning over Obama for 8 years is shameful.

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  • “They are not speaking truth to power – they are speaking FOR power”
    I’ve heard them. They are speaking truth to power. Especially truth to the greatest threat to peace on this earth. The US government. And, as illustrated by Abby Martin, they speak truth to Putin as well. Do I have to post the video of her blasting Putin? They are speaking truth to power. Something MSM rarely does. Especially on black issues. And that’s why I watch them.

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  • My points are that..
    RT is a valuable tool.
    Because of the problem we have with our media. Our MSM is like the firemen in Fahrenheit 451. The firemen that race to start fires rather than put them out, as traditional firemen did. Our news media does the opposite of what news media is supposed to do. Instead of reporting the news it hides the news. Behind a façade of lies. Exhibit A, the Clinton debacle. MSM has been stripped bare as the fraud it is. They hide the truth. From 911 to NSA surveillance. They cannot be trusted. They have to be checked. RT is a way of checking them. Just as alternative media is another way. And that is why they are trying to shut both down with propaganda like what you just spieled. “Conspiracy theory and fringe beliefs. As I say, RT boasts, and rightfully so, that they report the news they don’t reveal on American MSM. And that’s why I watch them. I don’t want to be kept in the dark by MSM, by the Root, by rationalwiki and this blog. RT. The antidote to American propaganda.

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  • @ Nomad

    As usual, you misrepresent what I say and then dismiss it. So I am going to stop right here.

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  • What RationalWiki says about RT and conspiracy theories:

    “Conspiracy-related posts form the bulk of all comments on the majority of videos published by RT online. Although Fox News has supported conspiracy theorists[4] including Birthers,[5] Russia Today is the only international news organisation that promotes conspiracy theories on an industrial scale. For example there is a compilation of, originally no less than 56 Russia Today YouTube videos on 9/11 (7 now deleted).[6] The majority publicise, and clearly support, conspiracy theories. The remainder involve other criticisms of the United States.

    RT regularly features interviews with cranks as experts on various subjects. The conspiracy theories that it gives publicity to are generally those that portray the US as deeply amoral, malicious and/or doomed to failure but, as a government mouthpiece of the world’s No. 1 fossil fuel supplier, RT has also featured global warming conspiracy theory proponents e.g. Piers Corbyn,[7] Christopher Monckton,[8][9] and Patrick Michaels.[10] Other examples are in a compilation of 7 videos on “Climategate.”[11]

    Uber-conspiracy theorist Alex Jones has been interviewed on numerous occasions by RT,[12][13][14][15] and other conspiracy theorists that have appeared as guests on his radio program and been interviewed (in most cases several times) by RT include Mike Adams,[16] Mark Dice,[17] David Ray Griffin,[18] Jesse Ventura,[19] Lyndon LaRouche[20] and Gerald Celente.[21] It’s a needle-thread away from Scopie’s Law status.

    Alongside nutty conspiracy theorists, RT had also given voice to genuine whistleblowers from the Western world, like Julian Assange or Edward Snowden, while at the same time (unsurprisingly) ignoring similar whistleblowers or opposition figures (like Kasparov) from Russia.[citation needed]”

    Source;
    http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/RT

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  • I did not misrepresent what you said. The rationalwiki take on RT is nonsense. I just rejected it. What rationalwiki says is a lie and russophobic propaganda. Your repeating it is spreading russophobic propaganda.
    “Alongside nutty conspiracy theorists, RT had also given voice to genuine whistleblowers from the Western world, like Julian Assange or Edward Snowden, ” Just proves my point.

    “Uber-conspiracy theorist Alex Jones has been interviewed on numerous occasions by RT,[12][13][14][15] and other conspiracy theorists that have appeared as guests on his radio program and been interviewed (in most cases several times) by RT include Mike Adams,[16] Mark Dice,[17] David Ray Griffin,[18] Jesse Ventura,[19] Lyndon LaRouche[20] and Gerald Celente.[21] It’s a needle-thread away from Scopie’s Law status.”

    I’ve never seen Alex Jones on RT, and as I say, I watch it daily. If he’s been on it certainly hasn’t been frequent. And even if he has. So what? RT gives voice to people you won’t see on MSM. And that’s good. Conspiracy theory of the AJ kind is certainly not their focus. I misrepresent you? Oh contraire, mom frere. I represent you perfectly. You lied about RT. Or you promoted rationalwiki’s lies about RT. The only reason I am commenting thusly is because you and rationalwiki grossly misrepresent RT. And if you don’t watch it, which I don’t believe you do, you don’t know what you’re talking about. I’m just setting the record straight.

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  • “For example there is a compilation of, originally no less than 56 Russia Today YouTube videos on 9/11 (7 now deleted).[6] The majority publicise, and clearly support, conspiracy theories. The remainder involve other criticisms of the United States”
    That’s a good thing! Unless you’re an American propagandist. You are making my point for me.

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  • @ nomad

    “My point is that you lied about them indulging conspiracy theory, fringe beliefs and about the journalists being mindless mouthpieces for Putin. Thus furthering the empire’s agenda and becoming a part of American propaganda and its brainwashing program yourself.”

    “I did not misrepresent what you said.”

    You did.

    !. I did not say that Abby Martin, etc, were “mindless” mouthpieces. I was very clear about their role.

    2. Where did I lie about RT indulging in conspiracy theories? What I have presented is RationalWiki’s opinion on that, presented as THEIR opinion, I said point-blank: “I do not necessarily agree with all of it, but offer it for thought and discussion.” But now you want to paint me as a liar.

    So, yes, you are misrepresenting me.

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  • I stand corrected, Kind of. You said they were mouthpieces. I assume mouthpieces to be mindless. ” Where did I lie about RT indulging in conspiracy theories?” I was probably thinking about comments you’ve made elsewhere about RT. And I do kinda think you agree with rationalwiki. But as you say, you do offer a disclaimer. So you are not lying. Rationalwiki is lying. You are just presenting their views.

    But this that you said is not true. “They are not speaking truth to power ”

    That is exactly what they are doing.

    “So, yes, you are misrepresenting me.” Abagond

    Gee, I wonder what that feels like.

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  • In presenting dissident voices that never appear on MSM, they are speaking truth to power. The fact that they speak out against regime change, economic predation and black focused police brutality in America means that they speak truth to power. Watching the Hawks in particular is very much dedicated to speaking truth to power.

    On top of that, they do a damn fine job of journalism, far outclassing their American counterparts who, by contrast accept everything that comes out of government officials’ mouths as gospel truth. RT puts American news media to shame.

    Exhibit A of great journalism and of speaking truth to power.

    Okay. I’m glitching up again, so this will probably my last (long) comment.

    Exhibit A: Speaking Truth to Power.

    “Readers may wonder who is in fact producing the «fake news»? In mid-November the State Department spokesman, John Kirby, stated during a briefing that Russian jets had «deliberately» bombed five hospitals and one mobile clinic in Jihadist occupied E. Aleppo. An RT journalist was present, and asked a question. «Can you specify which hospitals and what mobile clinic were hit?»

    Mr. Kirby could not name them. We got our information from «aid organisations», he replied, and that is good enough. But which aid organisations, the RT journalist wanted to know? The exchange went on for a while, the RT journalist asking for names and details which Mr. Kirby did not have and could not give her. «You are citing reports», she replied, «without giving any specifics». Eventually, Mr. Kirby lost his temper and tried intimidation.”
    http://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2016/12/11/fake-news-who-really-making-war-truth.html

    Read the entire article

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  • @ nomad

    If that is your standard, then CNN speaks truth to power too.

    RT speaks truth to US power. That is no different than CNN speaking truth to Russian power. In both cases it is one-sided and propagandistic. As RationalWiki notes:

    “Alongside nutty conspiracy theorists, RT had also given voice to genuine whistleblowers from the Western world, like Julian Assange or Edward Snowden, while at the same time (unsurprisingly) ignoring similar whistleblowers or opposition figures (like Kasparov) from Russia.[citation needed]”

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  • Not saying CNN doesn’t speak truth to power. I don’t watch cnn so I don’t really know. But I doubt it. Their speaking truth to Russian power is merely part of the imperial agenda. I know MSM. And CNN might be the exception, but MSM does not speak truth to power. But that’s not the issue. You said that RT does not speak truth to power. That statement is false. Whether some other news media speaks truth to power does not effect the veracity of my claim. And Of course they are going to have their own particular journalistic biases just as MSM does. But MSM does not offer platforms to dissident voices, does not speak out on behalf of police victims or predatory capitalism in any significant way. RT does all that. That constitutes speaking truth to power.

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  • “then RT is certainly questionable because it is owned by the Russian government”

    Once again, abagond is touting outright lies or “misinformation” since I’m sure he pretends he doesn’t lie.

    The fact is that RT is not “owned by the Russian government”. It’s owned by a nonprofit that receives funding from the government, similar to PBS, BBC, Al Jazeera, Deutsche Welle, etc.

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  • @ nomad

    “But MSM does not offer platforms to dissident voices, does not speak out on behalf of police victims or predatory capitalism in any significant way. RT does all that. That constitutes speaking truth to power.”

    This is not done out of a love of truth but because part of Russian propaganda is to bash the US. Just as part of US propaganda is to bash Russia. Do you think the Western media’s Russophobia comes from “speaking truth to power”? Why should RT be any different?

    If you reject RationalWiki’s Russophobic propaganda, then why would you not also reject RT’s Americanophobic propaganda?

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  • I stand corrected. RT is not owned by the Russian government, though it seems to get nearly all of its money from it.

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  • “This is not done out of a love of truth but because part of Russian propaganda is to bash the US. ”

    LOL. So real journalism, i.e. reporting what actually happened, is done to “bash the US” because abagond says so.

    And abagond wants us to equate real journalism with outright conspiracy theories, which abagond has pushed, such as Trump being a Putin “puppet”, among others.

    Abagond, we see right through your B.S.

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  • @abagond
    “If you reject RationalWiki’s Russophobic propaganda, then why would you not also reject RT’s Americanophobic propaganda?”
    You tell me. You’re the expert on other people’s motives. I’m sure you’ve looked in the hearts of all these excellent RT journalists. And have concluded that
    “This is not done out of a love of truth but because part of Russian propaganda is to bash the US. ”
    You their motives better than they do. Just as you know mine better than me.

    Thank you resw for another information gem.

    “The fact is that RT is not “owned by the Russian government”. It’s owned by a nonprofit that receives funding from the government, similar to PBS, BBC, Al Jazeera, Deutsche Welle, etc.”

    I did not know that. I was believing the russophobic propaganda.

    “If you wanna know what’s going on in your city and your streets
    Never back down like Tyrel if the truth is what you seek
    To analyze investigate from the bottom to the top.
    You speak your mind like nomad whether they like it or not.”

    (https://youtu.be/R7K7SaEgB7w)

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  • @ nomad

    It has nothing to do with motive of individual journalists or even your motive. I am making a structural argument.

    Abby Martin and Chris Hedges seem to be sincere people. But the reason you see them on RT is because they further its propaganda aim of bashing the US. Just as David Clarke, say, appears on Fox News because he furthers its aim of whitewashing US racism. It is propaganda either way.

    The trouble is, any sufficiently large news outlet, one that can afford journalists, fact checkers, lawyers, etc, is going to be propagandistic for structural reasons. It would be wonderful if RT were the exception, but it is not.

    The best (but hardly perfect) answer is to read from a broad range of sources.

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  • “The best (but hardly perfect) answer is to read from a broad range of sources.”

    Yes, read from a “broad range” of Univision Communications, Inc. subsidiaries like abagond.

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  • yep. everybody does it

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  • “The best (but hardly perfect) answer is to read from a broad range of sources.”
    So ironic. You also need to recognize the ones that lie. And crosscheck them with the ones that are accurate. RT is, as I say, much more accurate than the MSM, whose whole enterprise is lying to the American people, from 911 to NSA surveillance. When a more accurate than RT comes along, I’ll rely on them. Until then, RT is the best.

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  • Oops. I should say ‘from 911 to the Clinton debacle’. Just to be current. No. ‘911 to Russian hacking and pizza non gate’. Lies. Lies. Damn lies

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  • @ nomad

    No. They all lie. You can have truth or you can have power. You cannot have both. Power corrupts. RT is no exception. I wish it were.

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  • Everybody does it fallacy. They are not all the same. MSM is much worse than RT.
    Notice here whose exposing fake news.
    Keep being blind, abagond.
    Why You Should Never Trust The Mainstream Media
    (https://youtu.be/khwERBhf1eE)

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  • ‘I wish it were.’ no you don’t. youre a Russophobe.

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  • I don’t buy your truisms pulled out of thin air

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  • @ nomad

    Just because the MSM is bad it does not mean RT is good. They can both be bad and are – dangerously bad, in fact: the MSM gave us Trump, RT supports Putin.

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  • @ nomad

    Why do you say I am a Russophobe?

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  • Relative to MSM, RT is good.
    “Why do you say I am a Russophobe?””
    Because I have read what you have said. For example.
    ” RT supports Putin.” So what? Putin’s not a demon. Just as our media is far worse than RT, our leaders are far worse than Putin. Exhibit A. Trump. Exhibit B. Clinton. Exhibit C: Obama Exhibit D. Bush

    When you demonize Putin, that’s russophobia. When you malign the motives of RT journalists, that’s russophobia. You are definitely a Russophobe.

    Nevertheless, One of your truisms I like BTW -maybe it doesn’t originate with you= is the everybody does it fallacy. Probably not because you constantly fall victim to it.

    Got to give the devil its due. RT beats the hell out of MSM, by all measures.

 

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